For those of you who haven't read "Crumble Their Deception" (Henceforth to be referred to as Crumble), one of the more recent fliers distributed by ANAKBAYAN, a member of STAND UP, I will include the text that I took the time to type out below as an appendix.
Before I begin, I would like to reiterate that I am party-neutral. Whoever I vote, I vote because I think they can do the job, and not because of the color of their shirts. Now I apologize in advance if anyone thinks I'm picking on STAND-UP. I really am not. It's just that... they seem to have a disproportionate amount of loose cannons.
I'm writing this response simply because I found the contents of this flier extremely objectionable and unfair, and also because I want an end to all this childish shit.
Dear Author,
I'm alright with fliers going "we're cool, vote us" and "we love you, so please love us back" and so and and so forth. What I'm NOT alright with is "They suck, so vote for us." The latter is a negative, unfair, one-sided and asinine method of getting votes.
In Crumble, you rail about how KAISA and ALYANSA are deceptive, false, vicious, selfish, power-hungry, etc... Do you think you're the only student around here? Members of KAISA and ALYANSA are students too: they circulate the same campus as you do, they study in the same buildings as you do, and they get affected by the rules as you do.
How can you think, for one second, that you can judge their characters without spending time with them in their meetings, think tank sessions and daily lives? They have their own stands and opinions on certain issues and problems, their own ideas and programs they'd like to enact—to these you have the right to disagree.
You have the right to argue. You can even talk to your friends about how evil they are and stuff. It's natural, in the heat of the moment. But to libel them on print, with enough time to think and mull things over? That's low, my friend. Way below the belt.
I know you care about the student body. I know you care about us, about me, about the next guy or girl. But so do your two political opponents. If this were a national election, and the candidates were senators and congressmen, my statement doesn't apply. It really is possible they don't care about you. But for Chrissake, we're students! We're talking about a university election! Is this what our years of being schoolmates has come to?
Trust me: You ALL want the same thing. You all want the school to be better. You all want your fellow students to have a better education. You all want your fellow students to be the best they can be. Where you differ is method. Do you see where I'm getting at? Question the method. Not the motive.
I'm not saying you should stop arguing. In fact, I encourage it. Debate with each other about programs, pros and cons, etc... It'll go a long way in informing the student body about the issues and about your priorities. But be civil. No slander, no ad hominem, and most of all, no hate.
It may be hard for you to admit it, but you are all friends. There's just a difference in opinion.
With Love, Levi
The following is the aforementioned flier text.
"Leadership and unity, as propounded by some political formations in campus, can never be conceived by mere grand statements and more so, claimed in the absence of praxis.
"For such calls must always be situated in conditions that manifestly surround us. Indeed, more recently, we have emerged victorious in our fight against a vicious attempt by the administration and its cohorts in the person of false student leaders, that tried to rob us of our representation in university governance and tested the power of our concerted action. It is important to note that it was only STAND-UP which has been firm in its struggle for genuine student representation by defending the Office of the STudent Regent, while other political groups have collaborated to further their own selfish interests and hunger for power in the guise of flawed calls for "democratization" and "student participation".
"It is in light of this that we challenge ALYANSA and KAISA to go beyond the confines of their deceptive and misguided advocacies through an honest assessment of their actions in the past years. True leaders, after all, are judged not by their seemingly noble yet hollow declarations in a desperate effort to gain public approval, but by their concrete efforts to unite with their people armed with the sharpest of principles and a clear course of action. As such, these formations must be exposed for the populist and vacillating groups that they truly are.
"ALYANSA contends to "define leadership " by invoking a "shared purpose" and the "timeless ideals of integrity and service". Yet, it is this same group and their allies serving in student councils who obstinately demanded that their own proposed changes to the Student Regent selection rules by subjected to the recently concluded referendum, without consideration for the equally significant position of the other student councils. It is this same group which originally supported the tuition increase in UP, only to retract their position after belatedly realizing its dire effects on the majority of incoming students. It is this same group that has been gravely silent on major local issues, like dwindling state subsidy and the consequent lab fee increases, administration repression against UP professors Sarah Raymundo and Judy Taguiwalo, and widespread demolitions of UP communities.
"Similarly, KAISA now asks us to "unite" and make a "difference". It must be remembered, however, that they have also been active in campaigning for the failure of the Student Regent referendum without realizing the danger of losing the Office of the Student Regent with such position. KAISA has long been evidently absent in most of the major student campaigns, and such failure to make a principled stance forebodes ill of the kind of change they now forward. Certainly, this is not the kind of "difference" we would like to be part of.
"Ultimately, both ALYANSA and KAISA have undermined the power of our collective action, to the extent of dismissing the same as mere illusion. We are now called upon to realize that the democratic rights we now enjoy as students, the institutions and agencies we have been privileged with, were all borne of consolidated efforts to rise against tyrannical interventions, precisely what the 12 years of history STAND-UP unwaveringly represent.
"Anakbayan unites with student organizations in giving full support to STAND-UP in the coming student council elections. Once again, we will not let their deception vitiate the validity and potency of our collective action."
 | Screw politics, make art.
*hippie mode*
True activism is about human rights, the environment, truth... it's not "pataasan ng ihi" (is that the right term?). |
 | slander=spoken lies libel=lies in print
Sorreh, I can has Journ 100 flashbacks. :P But seriously now, I agree. That print ad thingy pissed me off, cause it wasn't promoting student's rights and representaion (as what they claim they are doing x.x) but instead, it puts down two other groups who have the same ideals (really really deep down!) and that is, well, student representation and student rights. :P This was a low blow, and it would hurt them more than help, logically speaking. |
 | I mostly agree, except I think some people don't actually have best interest at heart. =P
Seriously though, parties generally are trying to protect basic student rights, but have different views on how to do so, or which rights are 'more important.'
Take the past student referendum. As far as I understood, after all the shiz of "threats to the OSR," the final question was "Do you want keep the criteria for picking the SR for now?" Included were the requirements for eligibility, votation scheme, and so on. Any amendments to the criteria would've been decided on by a general assembly of student councils per college, and supposedly duly voted on. On the other hand, there was the risk that in the mess of an extended term, things would've happened with the office and blah. And that the changes could've happened after election, since the GASC thing is regular yata. (Plus, as a classmate once said, madugo talaga tuwing GASC.)
We could've gone with that, but no, there was the misinformation and scare tactics, which was extremely sad. Thankfully, I had the chance to attend a sort of discussion where both sides were presented, and there was even a chance for an open forum... much, MUCH appreciated. But I digress.
Point is, yes. Please present your points properly. Show us your premise and your logic leading to your conclusion. Those who care will read it, those who don't will either read the summary or just don't really care enough to vote (wisely) anyway. In general, matalino naman mga taga-UP eh, kaya nga natanggap sila diba?
PS. Well, when a party is named "STAND-UP," I think you kind of expect them to be noisier/more vocal than a group named... say... "SIT-DOWN," [Disclaimer: I'm not saying that being vocal is a bad thing.]
PPS. I am horrified at the thought of some extremist (either rabidly towards one end or just rabidly annoyed) group forming a coalition named "UP-YOURS" Imagine how caustic THEY would be. =/ |
 | this comes from a somewhat differing perspective... i may have spent some length of time away from UP and immersed myself[by choice] in what's commonly called the boondocks/probinsya. And honestly it's all just parochial shit really.
the impression i get is that of a bunch of whiny-ass, snot-nosed, holier-than-thou dickwads. they remind me of republicans for some reason... |
 | those stand up people need to learn basic marketing skills! |
 | benjediman wrote on Feb 18, '09, edited on Feb 18, '09 yes tasha, they do!
seriously though, sometimes it's quite amusing how these things happen. Like, reading the print you'd think they're confident of the students already siding with them just because they make themselves looking like all glory and antagonize the other parties. Again, if their wish is to collect more votes through these prints, they got another thing coming. well, nothing's going into their heads that's for sure.
it's quite absurd how they describe the other political groups. before anyone can scrutinize anything, they already poison the well by calling the advocacies of their opponents as "deceptive and misguided". that's just too much; if i were a new student transferee to UP and the first thing i read from anything is this print, then i would think "damn, those ALYANSA and KAISA people must hail from the nazi or hell." it's stupid. And i agree to the point that those from other parties are students too. students who more or less came from the same backgrounds as much of the students of Stand-Up. But Stand-Up is making it sound like these people must be really government spies out to destabilize our institution.
i am just new to the whole political scene, but thus far Stand-Up has already impressed on me the kind of political group i'd never want to associate with - not because of their "objectives", but because of their "personality". true what levi said - if they need be vocal, concentrate on the arguments and refrain from ad hominem. they may use other parties' shortcomings as key arguments, but never brand their characters as evil. |
 | and oh, for a political group that's against elitists (ouch. fresh from the memories, people?), they are beginning to sound like one. the elitist political alliance in UP. again, this is what they impress upon me (and me alone, i can attest to). sorry for being harsh. |
 | e1c33 wrote on Feb 18, '09 You are sooooo going down cause of the color of your skin! YELLOW! NYAHAHAHA. Okay random. Goes back to paper. |
 | this only goes to prove something i have been railing about for so wrong
UP elections is a microcosm of Philippine elections! |
 | Why am I not surprised at all... |
 | HAHA! I wanna call them out on this *giggle* XD It's ethics eh. Sportsmanship? haha does that apply? Electionsmanship? :P But in essence.. what they do is annoying. x.x |
 | Attention grabbing, yes. Good kind of attention, who knows? Remember what's-his-face... Pablo Banila? =/
Marketing? I'm not sure if I should be flattered or something. =P Last I checked though, I was your typical first year medical student. =P |
 | In student politics, the will to contribute to improving the school is always a given. This flier's too petty. |
 | The funniest thing is that the STAND-UP people I know are richer than us. And the STAND-UP graduates? Are working in places like ad agencies and magazines, which are clearly bastions of socialism and reform.
Remember the "fuck rich chinese bitches" post? I guess if ~Filipinos~ are rich then they have no problem with being angry about poverty. What about the "fight against the system!" shit they spew all the time? I guess that all changes once they realize their need to actually be employed trumps flimsy ideology.
What the fuck ever. They need to sit the fuck down. |
 | barbster wrote on Feb 19, '09, edited on Feb 22, '09 Where is the love? :(
Hate, anger, and pointing fingers...
*Sighs*
These things aren't going to help make UP, or heck even the Philippines, a better place.
Hindi himagsikan ang sagot sa lahat ng problema ng mundo. :|
It's so sad really. :(
Haaaay, :( |
 | Hmm... Guys, maybe you guys should tone down the Anti-Stand-Up sentiments. This will piss them off, and I kinda want the author to actually get wind of this blog and read my open letter, so that he or she understands what he/she did wrong, and maybe start doing stuff right. |
 | truth hurts? if the flier speaks of any lie, then just challenge it. |
 | We don't challenge the things you say are true because we trust each party to be well, truthful.
But do you agree that it's unethical to say such things about an opposing party? Yun lang naman. O: |
 | i clearly see it as objective criticism, "pamumuna" imbis na "paninira". |
 | so.. if they said that your party were not to be trusted, and spreads lies about the issues, you'd be able to see that as "pamumuna"? and not "paninira"? :)
(disclaimer: I'm in no way attacking. XD Just.. trying to understand this more. ) |
 | okay. i admit i made a stupid point there. but nonetheless you have yet to explain the libelous statements. no, its not just objective criticism. the fact that a lot of people are reacting to it as libel, that it is libel, until you convince us that it isnt what we think.
fact is, true or not, this is a low blow. it couldve been composed only of one of your members and doesnt reflect the thoughts of all of stand-up, but letting this circulate is clearly out of hand.
trivial matter? maybe. but to some people, these things matter. and as a political group seeking votes for the upcoming elections, is it not your job to win our votes? it's not enough to say that "if you dont vote for us then youre letting the government win. you're voting against UP and youre plain stupid." or "if you dont vote for us then fine, we can call you as one of them: elitist, self-serving parasites of society." i still say, with the statements, youve further damaged your reputation. |
 | a stand up person once told me that there was no such thing as objectivity, that we are all prone to our own personal biases |
 | levi88 wrote on Feb 21, '09, edited on Feb 21, '09 i clearly see it as objective criticism, "pamumuna" imbis na "paninira".  The author of the flier accuses STAND UP's competitors as being deceptive, dishonest, etc... How is that not paninira?
Objective criticism is declaring that your competitors' policies are disagreeable, and that there is a better way, etc... |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 That makes sense because the leaders get paid to organize rallies!
And it's really the rich who can afford to promote "walk out of class"... (I seriously, seriously couldn't understand the idea of "walk out of class" day... WHY??) why would those whose parents are sacrificing so much to pay for tuition, want to do that?  nasaktan ako dito, dahil ang rally ang pinakamataas pa rin na porma ng kamulatan. hindi ka sasabak sa rally nang wala kang alam. isipin mo, napakalaking danger ng pagsama sa rally: bubugbugin ka ng mga armed police, sasabuyan ka ng tubig para lang idisperse kayong mga rallyista. at anu lang naman ang armas na meron ka? wala, BOSES lang. boses lang.
hindi kailanman matutumbasan ng pera ang PANININDIGAN. kumikilos na ang mga kabataan at nagwo-walk out of class dahil lumalawak na ang paningin nya sa mga bagay-bagay. kulang na ang mga natututunan sa loob ng paaralan, at kailangan nang lumabas. ang mga lansangan tulad ng mendiola, liwasang bonifacio, edsa, etc. ay venues para makisalamuha sa maraming klase ng mga tao. matuto mula sa kanila. Dahil ang paglabas sa lansangan ay hindi lang para magmartsa sa kahabaan ng mediola, hindi lang para sumigaw hanggang mapaos, venue ito ng pag-aaral. Pag-aaral ng lipunan na hindi nakukuha lamang sa mga discussions ng mga vague concepts kundi discussions ng mga lapat sa lupa na mga experiences ng simpleng tao, magsasaka, manggagawa, babae, estudyante, indigenous people, etc.
------ mag-aaral ka ng mabuti, gagraduate ka at ano? makakain ka na lang ng bulok na sistema ng lipunan. kailan ka pa kikilos? pagka-graduate mo, pag abala ka na sa trabaho at nakatali ka na sa paghahanap ng pera para buhayin ang pamilya mo? wala nang ibang panahon, kundi NGAYON mismo.
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 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 ito ang mga nangyari:
noong 2006, bago pa kayo nakapasok ng UP, ay ipinasa ng UP board of regents ang tuition increase, matapos ang lahat ng convocations na naganap kung saan ipinakita ng mga ate at kuya niyo ang pagtutol dito. ang nakakalungkot ay ni-railroad kumbaga ang pagpasa ng TOFI na yun, dahil hinarang ang pagboto ng ating Student regent at Faculty regent na sana ay boboto against the TOFI. paano? bigla na lang nilang binago ang venue ng meeting, kaya naman di na nakahabol ang SR at FR. dineliberate nila ang policy na ito in 15 minutes time lang at ipinasa nga at the end of the meeting. ang araw ng pagpapasa nito ay ang araw din mismo ng lantern parade para nga naman walang maka-kontra (bilang "party" mode ang lahat ng tao). madaming nainis nun sa STAND-UP dahil lantern na lantern eh nagra-rally sila. pero hindi ko sila masisisi nun, dahil kagyat ang pangangailangan na kumilos.
maipapanalo sana ang laban against TOFI, kung lahat ay nakiisa. kaya lang, may mga ibang tao o grupo na naniniwalang okay lang tumaas ang tuition.
"We concede na napapanahon na ang Tuition Increase..." - Chesa Baltazar, ALYANSA USC Chairperson Candidate, in Phil. Collegian Mar. 5, 2007
kahit kelan, hindi inako ng STAND-UP ang mga naipapanalong laban tulad ng sa CRSRS referendum, dahil lagi't lagi, kinikilala ng standup ang power ng COLLECTIVE ACTION. sabi ko nga kanina, maipapanalo sana ang TOFI, kung ang lahat ay nakiisa. edi sana hindi kayo nagbabayad ng 20,000 per sem ngaun. edi sana nakapasok yung iba nyo pang batchmate na pumasa n UPCAT pero hndi ma-afford ang tuition ng UP. |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 See, as far as lies go, you have no solid proof that they are deceptive, dishonest, blah blah blah. (And I'm getting tired of repeating those two words) None at all. All you've done in that flier is declare that you find their policies objectionable. But I see no proof whatsoever to validate your assaults on their character.  kung naghahanap ka ng proof, meron akong pdf files na pwede kong isend sayo :)
sa tingin ko, ang ginawa nung author ng "crumble their deception" ay iexpose ang actions ng kabila. dahil tulad ng mga comments sa itaas, karamihan ay nagtitiwala sa truthfulness ng bawat party. siguro naging pangit lang talaga ang dating nung article, dahil sa bigat ng mga words na ginamit. pero madaming sinasabi ang article, at nakakatuwang malaman na madami ang nagpakita ng concern at talagang nagbasa, at nagtatanong sa kung ano talagang nangyari noon. |
 | maraming miyembro ng stand up ay, pagkatapos ng graduation, ay "nakakain" rin ng bulok na sistema ng lipunan
i don't think you can say such things to people like that when your own members do the same thing |
 | "We concede na napapanahon na ang Tuition Increase..." - Chesa Baltazar, ALYANSA USC Chairperson Candidate, in Phil. Collegian Mar. 5, 2007  And now, Alyansa is preaching their "new" stand on the issue: "NO to TOFI".
And may i quote from a blog entry i read:
" Myth #1: LEADERSHIP DEFINED ang isinusulong daw ng ALYANSA. Pero anong klaseng lider ang tahasang magsisinungaling tungkol sa kanyang nakaraan? Ayon sa ALYANSA sa Dormitory Tour kagabi sa KALAYAAN Dormitory, sila ay "NO to TOFI". Bilang nag-aaral na sa UP noong 2006, taon ng pagpasa ng 300% Tuition and Other Fee Increases, malinaw ang aking memory. And I quote:
We concede na napapanahon na ang Tuition Increase... - Chesa Baltazar, ALYANSA USC Chairperson Candidate, in Phil. Collegian Mar. 5, 2007
Anong ibig sabihin nito? Nagsisinungaling ba ako at ang libo-libong mga estudyante ng UP Diliman na naalala ito? " |
 | bakit hindi niyo na lang po iprint yung PDF file for circulation if there is proof?
or na print niyo na ba at hindi lang po namin natanggap?
if so, when and where? |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 Kwento ko lang: maraming parents na dating aktibista ang dinidiscourage ang anak nila na maging tibak. Mag-aral daw nang mabuti. sinasabi nila na if ever man maisipang tumigil sa pinaglalaban, meron kang fall-back plan. aminado naman sila, may bahid pa rin ng pagiging "playing-safe" yung ganung perspective. nagpapakita yun na hindi ka desidido na tatapusin mo ung laban na sinimulan mo. PERO hindi naman lahat ng aktibista ng UP ay tumigil pagka-graduate.
Inexplain ng isang kasama noon:
"in the greater scheme of things, hindi nga naman importante ang pag-walkout. pero yung pag-organisa at pag-mulat sa mga tao, yun ang importante. hindi ako magiging ung kasalukuyang tao na nagpapaliwanag sa iyo ngayon kung walang nagpaliwanag at nag-organisa sa akin"
:)
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 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 bakit hindi niyo na lang po iprint yung PDF file for circulation if there is proof?
or na print niyo na ba at hindi lang po namin natanggap?
if so, when and where?  hindi ko alam kung naiprint man yun pero isesend ko sayo kung gusto mo :) pahingi na lang po ng email ad |
 | gumagana po yung link, collegian issue po siya, tama?
aling article po yung proof? i remember reading this issue back during this election period and i don't remember reading an investigative report about this |
 | The rally leaders deliberately bring you to places where you can definitely get beaten up (or see your friends get beaten up) in order to make your anger more intense.
It's true that many ex-activist parents now discourage their children from joining in such activities because they KNOW what really happens.
You have no right to proclaim that a "rally" is the "best" way to cause improvement for the nation. There are many ways, awareness and rallying, that's just one method, but there are other ways to contribute to a nation's progress. (Gawad Kalinga for example.) |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 hindi ganun ang rally leaders. san po ba natin napulot ang ganyang idea? haha try mo minsan sumama sa rally at nang makita mo ang tunay na nangyayari.
GK? charity work kamo? band-aid solutions na hindi naman talaga nasosolusyonan ang ugat ng problema. |
 | The fact of the matter is, you're not doing anything really productive. All you're doing is creating anger, division, and worst of all, ignorance. You have a lot of big words but you are the ones who are all talk, no action... |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 not productive? again a rally is not all about pagsigaw hanggan mapaos. kung sasama ka sa rally one time, makikita mo na nagkakaroon dito ng discussion groups, pakikihalubilo sa mga jeepney drivers, sa mga mamang nagtitinda ng ice cream.. pag-aaral ng lipunan. |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 21, '09 i invite you to join one, bago mo husgahan ang mga tibak na nagsasayang lang kamo ng oras at "all talk" lang and "no action" :) |
 | I have to admit that I have a lot of prejudice against you, mostly because of the things you've said and done ("you" as a plural and referring to the collective group, not you individually, I don't know who you are), and watching the way you promote your ideas.
While I believe that a lot of you are sincere in believing that you are doing good, I think it is unfortunate that most of you are just being manipulated by some of your leaders into such actions...
What I really detest about your stance is that you refuse to see other's ideas and methods as anything but evil, elitist, or just plain wrong.
Are you totally closed to the idea that maybe, just maybe, other people also have good ideas on how to improve the country, that YOURS is not the exclusive, single, valid stance that exists?
In your you're-either-with-us-or-against-us approach, you label *everybody else* as your enemy, and presume to be the only one who's right.
Doesn't what sound more like a religious cult and less like a progressive group? |
 | pusablanca wrote on Feb 21, '09, edited on Feb 21, '09 You belittle the work of groups like GK as "band-aid" solutions? What arrogance! Why are you unable to see the good in their work as well? What makes you think that YOUR WAY is THE ONLY WAY?
That actually makes you more ELITIST than the others whom you accuse of being such. |
 | drlne wrote on Feb 22, '09 You belittle the work of groups like GK as "band-aid" solutions? What arrogance! Why are you unable to see the good in their work as well? What makes you think that YOUR WAY is THE ONLY WAY?
That actually makes you more ELITIST than the others whom you accuse of being such.  sige, maganda naman un. at hindi ko ito minamaliit tulad ng naging impression sayo. ang punto ko lang is that, ano lang ba ang maaabot ng charity work? pag nag donate ka ng goods, ilang araw nila itong papakinabangan? anong mangyayari pag ubos na ang nai-donate mo?
what made me think that our way is the only way? mahabang proseso ng pag-aaral. tulad mo, nagtanong din ako sa mga tibak na nag organisa sa akin. nakita kong konektado ang mga bagay bagay, at pag nasapul mo na ang ugat ng problema, lahat susunod na. habang ang naghahari ay laban sa atin, hanggat ganito ang lipunan, walang maaabot ang mga charity works na yan. |
 | Yes, naturally, an upper-middle-class citizen has never ever encountered any of these "real life" situations, and therefore is totally ignorant about such issues. We live in a sheltered bubble after all, and we have no common human values whatsoever with anybody living outside this bubble.
The ex-activists whom I know personally, they've all been there and done that.
Actually, I hate to use the word "activist" here to refer to you. Activists act, they are for action. Activism used to mean, fighting for human rights, environmentalism, peace, equal opportunities for all.
But you have twisted the term to mean something else entirely. You claim exclusive hold over the word "activist". You believe you are the only ones in the right, and moreso, whoever disagrees with you in the slightest way, is an evil conspirator with the evil government (all of whose employees are evil and elitist)... |
 | GK is not "charity" work, as in donation lang. |
 | pusablanca wrote on Feb 22, '09, edited on Feb 22, '09 And after the rallies? After toppling down this extremely evil and elitist administration? What next?
You are bent on destroying the system-- which is flawed, yes-- but that is not enough.
It is not enough to destroy a flawed or "bad" system, and hope that a nicer one will magically spring up in its place. Yes, we need to weed the garden. Yes, when you pull up a weed by its roots you remove it completely, but if you're just going to leave that fertile soil bare and untended, you might as well just replant that weed in yourself. As we've seen in history, even in our own country's history, it is the so-called revolutionary heroes, or liberation forces, who so often turn into villains after the dust settles.
R. Buckminster Fuller: "To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." |
 | Yes, naturally, an upper-middle-class citizen has never ever encountered any of these "real life" situations, and therefore is totally ignorant about such issues. We live in a sheltered bubble after all, and we have no common human values whatsoever with anybody living outside this bubble.  well then, what right do you have to say all those accusations of activists getting paid or manipulated? what right do you have to say: "The fact of the matter is, you're not doing anything really productive. All you're doing is creating anger, division, and worst of all, ignorance. You have a lot of big words but you are the ones who are all talk, no action..."
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 | but this is a question and answer portion and i quite frankly understood everything the candidates had to say here
these were their own opinions and ideaologies and i dont find anything deceptive or dishonest with what they said
if one wants to make a conrete example, one should be using such forms as investigative reports, and then citing those opinions you think was deceptive with other follow up information and SOLID PROOF
i don't think such a thing constitutes as proof, sorry |
 | "Pro-student" and "anti-administration" are NOT the same thing. |
 | there is that old saying, give a man fish, he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime
am i corrent in assuming that this was your argument in calling GK a "band-aid" solution
because i think you're quite wrong, GK is not only about donating goods, if you have participated in one, it teaches the whole community to value their life and to each other
in GK, volunteers enter a community and invite them to help build their new homes, and they do just that, they learn the value of honest work, and they actually got something out of it, a new home! and everyone in the community feels the same way, they look at each other and see the fruits of their labor, of helping each other build each others future! it's an absolutely wonderful experience to be part of
and the people in the community learn from it, hindi ito tulad ng gobyerno na binibigyan lang sila ng pera at bahay, dahil nakita ko ng mangyari na binenta lang yung bahay, at ginamit yung pera pan droga ng iba, at bumalik lang sila sa kalya :( yun ang mali
GK is not a band aid solutions, most of the poor communities who participate in it learn to experience a new sense of fulfillment and in doing so, pass it on to their children, they go to school and learn that the life they have doesn't always have to be that way, they can help themselves if they work hard and honest, it's an absolutely spirit lifting thing to see :)
GK is not a band aid solution, i have seen alot of people grow from it and i think it addresses the root of the problem here
and pusablanca states the own way theory because it's true, it's there stand up has criticized all other forms of helping people except your own, such as you did by calling GK a "band aid" solution, which i hope you will now take back, but you guys have done so alot in the past
and i know you guys believe in militant struggle but please, respect those who don't |
 | Whom do you think truly benefits from all these things that you are doing? |
 | i was there and i did read it
and i think that admitting you are wrong is not deceptive but honest i wish all parties in UP could do such a thing when their own time comes
alyansa as a whole, i think, has shifted stands because they do see the detrimental effects of the TOFI now that the STFAP bracketing has not been fixed at all expecially during a global crisis, some less fortunate families are being made to pay the incorrect amount while some rich families are still NOT PAYING ENOUGH
but changing stands, i see nothing deceptive about it, i see honesty in admitting mistakes and if you judge them for it, that is quite acceptable, however, i think it is wrong to judge them as deceptive |
 | Thank you for explaining that which I did not have the patience to. I think GK is truly inspiring, and besides that, they do not go around insisting that theirs is the one, true, and only way. They saw a problem (shanty communities have appalling living conditions) and they worked out a solution for it, one that does not depend on a dole-out system. It's not a perfect solution, and it's not going to solve ALL our problems, but I think it's doing pretty good in solving the problem it chose to tackle. This is what I mean when I say I believe in a creative, not a destructive approach. |
 | building your own home, learning to live in a community with your neighbors, having an honest work, etc... these are all so basic. GK? i've been there and done that in my first college, in another university. and speaking from an architecture student's point of view, homes being built in GK are not sustainable. they are typical CHB-walled houses, na pinagsisiksikan ang maraming units sa isang maliit na lupain. That won't improve the quality of lives of those people in the long run.
there are some things much bigger than the house you're trying to build, than the walls you're trying to put up. look out and try to join rallies and educational discussions. we do not lack homes. we lack people who think, and people who are aware of what's happening out there in the society, and people who are willing to be involved. |
 | that still doesn't make them deceptive, i think i get what you're trying to say now, but i think the words deceptive and dishonest were the wrong choice of words |
 | as i can see it, your way is the only way once again
and i agree with YOU, we lack people who think
i'm sorry, but i'm tired from this, we cannot seem to reach out to each other no matter what, which is sad but i guess i was asking for it
this will be my last reply |
 | So what do you call the shanties they lived in, prior to these CHB-walled houses? Sustainable? Conducive to quality of life? They are not perfect but it's still quite an improvement over the previous condition. It is basic, that's why it's so terrible that a lot of people don't have it. You are not the ONLY ONES who think, who are aware, and who are willing to be involved. You are arrogant to believe that you have a monopoly there. |
 | You are not the ONLY ONES who think, who are aware, and who are willing to be involved. You are arrogant to believe that you have a monopoly there.  iha, we do respect other solutions naman ehh... now if you're thinking na nababastos ang GK because we're calling it a "band-aid" solution, well, that's the truth eh. it's just "band-aid", and that doesn't mean we don't respect it.
and of course, we believe so, because we study the society in a greater scope, greater than just building communities, and in the deepest levels, deeper than just living peacefully with your neighbors. i really hope you give it a chance to have an educational discussion with us, so you can debate everything out and finally settle your mind on these issues. :) |
 | hindi ko nga namang sinabi na lahat, sinabi ko lang na marami at dahil dun, sa aking pakiramdam ay hindi nararapat husgahan ang ibang tao na
"nagpapakain lamang sa sistema" |
 | There is no respect in actions like, calling certain people "INTSIK INTSIK INTSIK" just for disagreeing with you, or calling Akbayan members "TAKSIL SA BAYAN" just because they have a different approach to the same problems. |
 | Whew! Hahaha... There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate I guess. :)) |
 | And are you now going to call me "TAKSIL SA BAYAN" for disagreeing with your philosophy, and believing that you do not have the ONE TRUE WAY to progress? |
 | Nobody has to join your group in order to be a true activist, or to contribute to the nation's progress. |
 | That is to say, you are only willing to accept people who will completely agree with everything you say. Truly, that is not elitist at all. |
 | Hmm.. Okay, let's challenge a topic.
Did KAISA campaign for the failure of the CRSRS Referendum? 1. For the referendum to fail, it must not reach the 50% + 1 quota. 2. As I remember, KAISA was advocating for the voting of NO. 3. So as I infer, KAISA did not campaign for the failure of the Referendum.
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 | And what makes you think it would suit me? |
 | And one more thing. (I will also be posting this comment on my own blog :P)
You guys seem to dismiss us as just.. ignorant people who see the words but don't process the meaning. Para sa inyo, bakit nga ba ang laking issue ng mga salitang "deceptive and misguided" eh "pamumuna" lang naman ito. (hindi rin nasagot yung isa kong comment. :| Okay lang ba kung tinawag kayong hindi mapagkatiwalaan?)
Ito yun. For me, it's a question of your CHARACTER. Character ng isang nangangampanyang maging USC. Character na magiging lider KO. AKO, isang ESTUDYANTE. Isang ISKOLAR NG BAYAN. (O yan.)
Nasa CHARACTER ba ng partido niyo na manginsulto ng iba? Hindi pakinggan ang ibang panig? :| Yun lang po. *bow* :) |
 | because things like a 3 limit for the grades, or a redistribution of votes within the national UP system to make it more EQUITABLE, not EQUAL, which is a very very key difference, are totally wrong. |
 | because "taksil sa bayan" means "disagreeing with stand-up" |
 | brb, being richer than you. |
 | Ok, by that definition, TAKSIL AKO SA BAYAN hahahaha! :P |
 | levi88 wrote on Feb 22, '09, edited on Feb 22, '09 o_O I leave this blog for 8 hours, and it has turned into a melee.
Okay, I know you all have your points, but seriously, aggressive and/or condescending statements do NOT help. They only make the other side angrier/more condescending and it creates a negative feedback.
And we all know negative feedbacks don't do jack shit.
Now I know some of you will start pointing fingers, going "S/he was the aggressive/condescending one! S/he started it!" Well STOW IT. I want you all to acknowledge that mistakes have been made, things have been said in the heat of the argument that you didn't really mean, and that you'll control yourselves.
I posted this open letter to call the author out on his/her wrongdoing. This method of disseminating information is unethical. I want you all to acknowledge that this is NOT HOW POLITICS SHOULD BE DONE. You're better than this.
And another thing, on the question of personal attacks and negative feedbacks: Respect, people. Respect their opinions. Instead of going "HAH! YOU INFANTILE ASSHAT, YOU ARE WRONG!" go "I see your point, but I think blah blah blah blah." and then either reach a positive resolution, or agree with each other politely that it's an irreconcilable difference, and that you should move on.
Please, guys. Respect, maturity and lurrrve.
P.S. I won't delete any of these messages to serve as a reminder. P.P.S. I'll leave you guys for the moment to study for my ES exam tomorrow. This "forum" had better be civil when I get back. |
 | It's true. It might not be officially written down in your doctrine or whatever, but that's what you communicate to us. |
 | Ito, tanong ko sayo. Ang hindi pag walk out ba ay isang sign ng walang PANININDIGAN? Kasi ilang posts na rin ang nababasa ko na gumagamit ng "selective interventionists" or passive. or whatever. Ang nakukuha ko kasi dun, parang.. kung hindi ko gawin ang paraan niyo, wala na akong pinaglaban. |
 | it sometimes depends on how you read an article, or what you are really as a person, reading that/those article/s. if you know you're fighting for something, or if you know for yourself that you're doing your part, then you have nothing to be guilty of. :) |
 | I am starting to believe that "CRUMBLE THEIR DECEPTION" was actually written by an anti-STAND-UP person, because it's just working too well against them.
Sorry for messing up your blog post Levi. I am not normally this abrasive, but certain remarks really made my eyebrows shoot to the high heavens.
I just want to make these points: 1. Anybody who claims to have a monopoly on "critical thinking", obviously has none. 2. "Anti-administration" is not the same thing as "pro-student". 3. Creative is always better than destructive. |
 | But see, we're talking about the referendum itself. Isn't that the asking of the students if they want the policies to remain? Eh, they advocate a vote naman eh. how is that tantamount to the failure of the referendum?
From what I gather from your reply, to vote against what you advocate is tantamount to me not wanting the referendum to succeed. Where's the democracy in that? |
 | Sorry, levi if i will seem childish by this comment. :| ITO LANG TALAGA EH. I WANT TO KNOW.
If I call say that your party were NOT TO BE TRUSTED and spreads LIES, would you be okay with that? |
 | And I would just like to say, you tell us to challenge a topic, and I did. And all you can tell me is a one-liner answer? |
 | Sorry, levi if i will seem childish by this comment. :| ITO LANG TALAGA EH. I WANT TO KNOW.
If I call say that your party were NOT TO BE TRUSTED and spreads LIES, would you be okay with that?  well, you can make a statement of your own, make copies of it and spread it. no one's going to stop you, except yourself, thinking that it might be "unethical". we'll then look at your statement, and we'll answer your accusations as objectively as possible. that's how it goes.
you are really just new to the scene... marami nang gumawa sa stand UP niyan, noon, hanggang ngayon. and i tell you, most of them don't even have the guts to show their true identity. try looking into the yoopee multiply group site. :) |
 | And I would just like to say, you tell us to challenge a topic, and I did. And all you can tell me is a one-liner answer?  how i wish you were there when we were campaigning on the yes vote, or perhaps if you really were eager to listen to the other side, to the yes side that time. sorry naman iha, ang dami niyo lang kasing sinasagot ko rito at mag-isa lang ako anoh. ^_^
if NO could have won, then siguro ngayon nagkakagulo na tayo because of the uncertainties that the RA 9500 has left us with, explaining nothing on what will exactly happen once the WHOLE CRSRS is rejected. Or if given the chance our SR is still able to call a meeting for the redrafting of the new CRSRS, then we could have wasted a lot of time, and that time could be used as a chance for the admin to pass unfavorable policies. Remember that the term of our SR has already expired that time. etc etc... if the referendum could have failed, meaning hindi nareach ang 50%+1, then again, we are left to uncertainty. Or if others were right with what they said, na magrereferendum ulit, omg, you have no idea how hard it is to organize and to sustain a system-wide student activity such as the referendum, costing around thousands of pesos a day, something like a 100K. impractical indeed. And again, a lot of time will be wasted. With the time wasted, connect it to what i said above.
now i hope you see the tantamountness of the two. :)
i won't go into the details of these anymore as they were already tackled tons of times during the referendum era. you could help yourself if you read blogs related to it. :)
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 | Just because lots of people do it, and it's been done before, doesn't make it any less "unethical" or "disrespectful". Ad hominem is ad hominem. |
 | How can I possibly get it right? I am "unenlightened", after all. :) |
 | please stop being condescending. the only reason stand up can disseminate so-called "information" on such a huge level is that, surprise, the stand-up owner of blessings pays for everything, as long as stand up defends the shopping center from ever being renovated.
not all political parties have the ability to find such kinds of disgustingly symbiotic relationships. :)
sweetheart, stop saying we're new. we just disagree with you. :) |
 | please stop being condescending. the only reason stand up can disseminate so-called "information" on such a huge level is that, surprise, the stand-up owner of blessings pays for everything, as long as stand up defends the shopping center from ever being renovated.
not all political parties have the ability to find such kinds of disgustingly symbiotic relationships. :)
sweetheart, stop saying we're new. we just disagree with you. :)  oh well, if that's true, we are "blessed" indeed. :) that is what i call "bayanihan", nagtutulungan. Everyone's doing their part, helping out each other. You may also call it, return of favor, or sign of gratitude. :)
"sweetheart"? trying hard ka naman ata mang-asar or pa-cute ka lang? practice harder iho. hahah! :) kbye! |
 | or mutual bribery.
baby girl you're the pioneer of asar or pa-cute fail. :) goodnight! rallying on the internet is such hard work! :) |
 | I guess it's somehow beneficial for UP students, that the Shopping Center will never be renovated, imagine all the historical architecture heritage that will be lost if such a horrible thing were to happen.
You'd make a lot of money as a politico, you know, with that "utang na loob" mentality. Please don't forget your hija po when you rise to power. :) |
 | I assure you that I was there, listening and discerning. I know your arguments na. I read the fliers, I listened to RTRs, I asked questions. Please don't think na hindi ako informed. :| Now, yung akin lang, (kasi medyo na-miss yung point, we have miscommunication here) is that KAISA did not advocate the FAILURE of the REFERENDUM.
Kung No yung nanalo, tapos nagkagulo ibang usapan yun sa pagfail ng referendum. Diba? Kasi the referendum here is the voting. And for that to fail, dapat hindi naabot ang 50% + 1. Eh KAISA advocated for the people to vote naman eh. |
 | The point was not to insult your party but if you as a member of the party would be offended by such statements because they are disrespectful. I in no way meant to imply that I would distribute such material because I do find it unethical.
A simple Yes or No would suffice. |
 | I know right! Especially when it's former Stand-UP people who've said it! shet! hala! :)  |
 | levi88 wrote on Feb 22, '09, edited on Feb 22, '09 Does nobody wish to listen to reason? Why are you guys still so bloody vehement?
What happened to maturity and respect? |
 | This is some Lord of the Flies crap right here
“There isn't anyone to help you. Only me. And I'm the Beast . . . Fancy thinking the Beast was something you could hunt and kill! . . . You knew, didn't you? I'm part of you? Close, close, close! I'm the reason why it's no go? Why things are the way they are?” |
 | wu! i thought u were going to say something inappropriate but you didn't! im proud of you! HAHAHAHA |
 | wow nice post.. haha hello levi.. :P |
 | rawr. bakit ngayon ko lang napansin ang nangyayari dito. |
 | levi88 wrote on Feb 22, '09, edited on Feb 22, '09 Okay, it's good that there's some acknowledgment. But what did I say about pointing fingers?
For your benefit and for everyone's benefit, I'll say it again.
Now I know some of you will start pointing fingers, going "S/he was the aggressive/condescending one! S/he started it!" Well STOW IT. I want you all to acknowledge that mistakes have been made, things have been said in the heat of the argument that you didn't really mean, and that you'll control yourselves.
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 | They are NOT technicalities. x.x The way you construct your statements are more than just technicalities. You say it's going to fail because it goes against your view of what's right. But to tell the (maybe) uninformed some that KAISA campaigned for something they didn't? That's lying. It's not just a technicality. |
 | dreiskee wrote on Feb 22, '09, edited on Feb 22, '09 "onosacnimahneb" please do not call PusaBlanca or any other person "pussy". It takes a deeper level of intimacy to earn the right to call any woman that, and still be able to truthfully elicit love and respect, and not rabid claw marks.
I suggest you use that on your own girlfriend, not mine :) capiche?
So anyhow: Hallo Everyone! :D Love and Hate are both fueled by passion. And passion is important! I'm glad to see many of you here have it :) But REASON when clouded with the passion of hate results to war. Only reason that promotes love and unity will lead to HARMONY :) Unity is not equal to UNIFORMITY. Harmony means we use our different notes and mix them well so we make MUSIC not noise. :)
I believe in CONSULTATION, not debates (not even when you attach "healthy" as a qualifier). You see, no matter how rock BOULDER hard you stick to your own ideas, and refuse to be "weathered" and eventually for all of your ideas to slowly CRUMBLE and turn into HEALTHY SOIL along with other weathering and crumbling stones, nothing new will ever grow from and for OUR GENERATION. When O when did any flower grow on a boulder? When O when did a fruit grow from a stone?
If nature's own boulders and stones submit themselves to weathering, why can't man?
I understand how most of us have been raised and educated under an educational system that teaches us that WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE RIGHT. That to MAKE MISTAKES will reflect poorly on us. But at our age, we must KNOW BETTER already. WE NEED TO ADMIT OUR MISTAKES because only from there do we learn. NO ONE LEARNS FROM BEING RIGHT ALL THE TIME. Man is enlightened not by pride for his own knowledge, but by his humility to accept his mistakes.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather be a soil on which new ideas and fruits of love and sustainable growth can take root and grow upon. :) We don't have to inherit the hatred and divisive politics of the older generations. Our generation can be different only if we learn to overcome hate with a stronger power of love, and to overcome apathy with a stronger power of unity...only then will we all make a BIG difference.
Peace and Love yo' ^__^
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 | This makes my blood boil, but I'm too exhausted to pummel him with irrefutable logic. Even if the glove has come off and he has practically challenged me with a duel, such small behavior does not deserve a response. |
 | Oh, but I find it interesting how all the current 14 comments that post got are all from its supporters-cum-fellow-party-members :) Yours brought out more diverse opinions, which means of course, that you wrote a stronger standing article that DESERVED people's time, reflection, and reaction, no matter what side they are coming from :) |
 | wow. things really got out of hand huh. good thing i came across ur site, will keep this in mind when i vote tomorrow thanks! :) |
 | jecblufox11 wrote on Feb 24, '09, edited on Feb 24, '09 i was being sarcastic, too! kala mo naman ikaw lang marunong anoh... hahah! anyway, goodnight pussy. :)  WHOAAAAA.......
Okay, now I hate you. |
 | hahah! owwwwkaaayyyyyy..... :) |
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